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Status Delivered
Workspace IBM i
Categories Save and Restore
Created by Guest
Created on Oct 3, 2017

Option 21 to restricted state

I would like to be able to easily complete a full system save using option 21 and instead of starting up the controlling subsystem, remain in restricted state (or IPL). Right now, to do this I need to prompt the individual commands for the save, change QSTRUPPGM to *NONE, or "fake it" a couple of other ways.


Use Case:

We frequently have a scenario where we do a full system save, then do some kind of maintenance (which is why we did the initial save). PTF applications are one example, but this can apply to software or other configurations as well. To avoid having to allow things to start up and immediately shut them down I have to change my setup, which sometimes I forget to change back.


Idea priority Low
  • Guest
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    May 23, 2019

    This function is included with IBM i 7.4 release, which will be generally available on June 21, 2019. Additional details can be found at https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/ssw_ibm_i_74/rzaiu/rzaiuwhatsnew.htm and https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/ssw_ibm_i_74/rzarm/rzarmwhatnew.htm.

  • Guest
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    Mar 6, 2018

    IBM agrees with the request and a solution appears to be desirable and feasible. IBM intends to provide a solution. However, IBM's plans may change and no commitment is made that a solution will be provided.

    Until a new solution is provided, you can change the behavior of option 21 and other SAVE and RESTORE menu options. To do this:

    1. Use the Create Duplicate Object (CRTDUPOBJ) command to make a copy of any programs that you change. Program QMNSRBND contains the command to start the controlling subsystem.
    2. Use the Retrieve CL Source (RTVCLSRC) command to retrieve the source code for program QMNSRBND.
    3. Update the source code with your desired behavior. For example, if you do not want to start the controlling subsystem for any of the SAVE and RESTORE menu options, delete the line that contains only:
    *SYSTEM/STRSBS SBSD(&CTLSBSLIB/&CTLSBSD).
    4. Use the Create CL Program (CRTCLPGM) command to create program QMNSRBND with your changes.

  • Guest
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    Jan 9, 2018

    IBM agrees with the request and a solution appears to be desirable and feasible. IBM intends to provide a solution. However, IBM's plans may change and no commitment is made that a solution will be provided.

    Until a new solution is provided, you can change the behavior of option 21 and other SAVE and RESTORE menu options. To do this:

  • Guest
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    Jan 9, 2018

    This would be a great feature when doing work in a restricted state. The last thing you do before high impact work is a system save. Usually that high impact work is in a restricted state. Starting the controlling subsystem immediately after the save is an annoyance as I have to bring the system to a restricted state once again. Having this as an option would be a great feature for doing this type of work.

  • Guest
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    Jan 9, 2018

    The CAAC has reviewed this requirement and recommends that IBM view this as a low priority requirement that should be addressed. Please see other Comments explaining the scenarios that would be helped.

    Background: The COMMON Americas Advisory Council (CAAC) members have a broad range of experience in working with small and medium-sized IBM i customers. CAAC has a key role in working with IBM i development to help assess the value and impact of individual RFEs on the broader IBM i community, and has therefore reviewed your RFE.

    For more information about CAAC, see www.common.org/caac

    For more details about CAAC's role with RFEs, see http://www.ibmsystemsmag.com/Blogs/i-Can/May-2017/COMMON-Americas-Advisory-Council-%28CAAC%29-and-RFEs/

    Dawn May - CAAC Program Manager

  • Guest
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    Dec 6, 2017

    I agree with this RFE.

    After normal backup, the startup program starts up. That is no problem at all.
    However, when making changes, I hope that it will remain "stopped" after backup.
    Also, in the method presented from development, I think that if you perform "release upgrade (or version upgrade)", objects under QSYS will be replaced.
    Basically, users do not want to change to "QSYS". Because it is not inherited.
    So I strongly hope to add something like "Yes / No field to start control subsystem".

    It is often said when you want to use upgrade, PTF, system change, weekly / monthly / yearly backup, reorganization etc.

  • Guest
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    Oct 19, 2017

    RTVCLSRC is giving following problem:
    Additional Message Information

    Message ID . . . . . . : CPF0565 Severity . . . . . . . : 40
    Message type . . . . . : Diagnostic
    Date sent . . . . . . : 19-10-17 Time sent . . . . . . : 10:39:46

    Message . . . . : Source from CL program QMNSRBND not retrieved.
    Cause . . . . . : A source file that supports double-byte characters was
    used to create the control language (CL) program specified for the PGM
    parameter on a Retrieve CL Source (RTVCLSRC) command. The source retrieved
    from the CL program cannot be moved to member *PGM of source file QCLSRC in
    library RODIUSD because file QCLSRC does not support double-byte characters.
    Recovery . . . : Specify a source file that supports double-byte characters
    for the SRCFILE parameter. Then try the RTVCLSRC command again.

    How did you get your source?

  • Guest
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    Oct 6, 2017

    IBM will use this request as input to planning but no commitment is made or implied. This request will be updated in the future if IBM implements it. IBM will use votes and comments from others in the community to help prioritize this request.

    You can change the behavior of option 21 and other SAVE and RESTORE menu options. To do this:

    1. Use the Create Duplicate Object (CRTDUPOBJ) command to make a copy of any programs that you change. Program QMNSRBND contains the command to start the controlling subsystem.
    2. Use the Retrieve CL Source (RTVCLSRC) command to retrieve the source code for program QMNSRBND.
    3. Update the source code with your desired behavior. For example, if you do not want to start the controlling subsystem for any of the SAVE and RESTORE menu options, delete the line that contains only:
    *SYSTEM/STRSBS SBSD(&CTLSBSLIB/&CTLSBSD).
    4. Use the Create CL Program (CRTCLPGM) command to create program QMNSRBND with your changes.

0 MERGED

Keep system in restricted after GO SAVE 21

Merged
When performing a full system save (GO SAVE 21) the system will restart again when the save is complete.In various situations it is critical to keep the system down after a backup to ensure a consistent state. This could be in relation to a save/r...
about 7 years ago in IBM i / Save and Restore 2 Delivered
0 MERGED

Please let me select STRSBS after running GO SAVE.

Merged
Please let me select STRSBS after running GO SAVE. STRUPPGM contains user processing. Also JOBSCD and others will run.Therefore, when considering work such as PTF, STRUPPGM starts up after executing GO SAVE.It is not perfect as GO SAVE to change S...
about 7 years ago in IBM i / Save and Restore 6 Delivered